Uniden 76 talkback - antenna grounding now

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Uniden 76 talkback - antenna grounding now

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Hey all,

Tried to add talkback to this PC76 by soldering a pot and on/off switch between the ext speaker and pa terminals. Should have gone smoothly but obviously I screwed something up :)

When I tried to TX, I got high SWRs by the meter on the radio and my ANT warning light came on. I went through and checked my cable/mount for shorts and the problem seemed to be when I had the power cord plugged in. I've checked the three prongs in the back of the radio with the center conductor of the antenna, and both the positive and negative posts show a connection to the center conductor. Should this be right?

With an external meter connected, I still got connection between the antenna and ground, but slightly lower SWRs and no ANT light. With an older CB connected, the antenna behaved like it should and stayed separated from the ground plane.

Should I have a connection between both the positive and negative terminals and my center antenna conductor?
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Does anyone have a spare uniden that they can check continuity on? It'd be a great help - thanks!
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Part of the problem is that continuity at RF frequencies isn't necessarily continuity. Can't check that with a 'DC' meter, 'AC' and 'DC' are different things altogether.
I think it's a safe bet that the modification you did has something to do with it. I think I'd check that over pretty good.
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Thanks for the help Doc, I'll look that over tonight. Can anyone else confirm that they do or do not have continuity between the any of the three power prongs and center conductor?

Here's mine to compare: when checking between the center conductor and the 12v+ lead, my meter pegs backward with the red lead on the center conductor, forward if I'm using the black lead on the antenna. When between the antenna and 12v-, I get continuity but the meter does not peg. On an old Sharp CB, there is no continuity between the two.
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clip wrote: Can anyone else confirm that they do or do not have continuity between the any of the three power prongs and center conductor?
Center conductor of what?

The way the power plug is wired one of the outer pins is for the positive voltage and the other outer pin is for the negative voltage coming from the power supply.

The center pin is not connected to anything and used as a key to prevent the power cord from being plugged in backwards there shouldn't be any continuity between any of those pins.
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Center conductor of the antenna/coaxial cable.
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clip wrote:Hey all,

Tried to add talkback to this PC76 by soldering a pot and on/off switch between the ext speaker and pa terminals. Should have gone smoothly but obviously I screwed something up :)

When I tried to TX, I got high SWRs by the meter on the radio and my ANT warning light came on. I went through and checked my cable/mount for shorts and the problem seemed to be when I had the power cord plugged in. I've checked the three prongs in the back of the radio with the center conductor of the antenna, and both the positive and negative posts show a connection to the center conductor. Should this be right?

With an external meter connected, I still got connection between the antenna and ground, but slightly lower SWRs and no ANT light. With an older CB connected, the antenna behaved like it should and stayed separated from the ground plane.

Should I have a connection between both the positive and negative terminals and my center antenna conductor?
Hi,

If you want an ON-OFF switch for a talk-back the easiest way is to put a 47 Ohm to 100 Ohm resistor from pin 4 of the mic jack to the Channel 9 switch. Disconnect the wires from the channel 9 switch and solder the wires that give you normal operation together; leave the other 2 disconnected. I would put some electrical tap on the wire leads and roll them up.

When you flick the switch that will turn the T-B on and off. To make it variable use a 250 Ohm pot and put a 33 ohm resistor in series with the potentiometer. One end goes to chassis ground and the other end goes to pin 4 of the Mic jack. Place the 250 ohm potentiometer where the Delta tune control is. I would just center the delta tune and tape up any exposed metal on the delta tune and tuck it inside the radio.

Keep in mind that the radio's case is part of the antenna system ground. The chassis ground is the Pin 1 of the Mic jack, an IF can or the input power lead ground. Putting a resistor on the case ground will affect the antenna system and give you a bad SWR. This is true for 99% of all CB radios. The Cobra 19 puts the case ground and the chassis ground at the same potential. Most Ham radios are like that as well, this includes the HR-2510. That is why the HR-2510 works so well with amps.

I bet you are using the case ground, which is the antenna ground,that is why your SWR indicator is lighting up.

Respectfully,
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Thanks for all the help guys. I put everything back to stock to see if things would go back to normal. The antenna indicator has stopped lighting except when I blow hard into the mic, then it flickers. Also, when I check to see if I've got continuity between the antenna and truck bed, one of my ohm meters (digital) shows infinite resistance and does not beep/indicate continuity. The other ohm meter, an old analog one, still sweeps the needle to show no resistance between the two. This doesn't occur when I have another CB hooked up, though, which puzzles me and questions my idea that the analog meter is bad.
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I'm wondering what antenna you are using, some do show continuity to ground, depends on how the things are made.
If the two ohm meters don't agree, and if they are both measuring the same things the same way, and you are taking those readings from the same places, then it's safe to say that one of them is 'broke'.
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Got a new meter tonight and it was reading about 2.5 kohms between the antenna and ground. I regrounded the radio's case and cleaned the threads of the antenna mount/spring with a tap and the SWR got slightly better. Finished it off by trimming a little off of the antenna (a 102" SS whip by the way) and running a copper wire from the mount to the antenna, bypassing the spring. SWR looks like it's behaving normally again, but I'm planning on checking it through the next few weeks to see if it's behaving.lo
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